I write interviews for Splendid strictly for selfish reasons. The process
usually starts like this: I fall in love with some new band or have
taken to a section of my record collection with a vengeance, playing the
catalogue of a band or singer for weeks. I want to know about the people
making the music I'm currently going nuts over. I want to know about how
they write their songs and how they record. I want to discuss the process
of something I'll probably never do: write, play and record music for a
living. That's when I email George and ask if he is looking for an
interview with this singer or that band. More often than not, George agrees
with my choice and sets things up. Ah, the joys of being press.
(Editor's note: After this, a couple of months pass, during which I badger Jason about turning the article in. Deadlines come and go, while he sits at home and moons over guitar lines and lyrical phrase-turns, until he finally turns something in that rarely satisfies more than seventy-five percent of the stated goal of the project. Ah, the joys of being the editor.)
A few months ago, while listening to Nina Simone, I got to thinking about
the life span of the music I listen to. Who will still be around when I am
fifty or sixty years old? Not in the classic-rock-radio-Zepplin-yeah! way
of being played but being dead, but who will still be making music? Looking
through the stacks, Steve Earle seemed a likely candidate. Where's a new
Morrissey record? Stereolab? Why, sure. What about Shannon Wright? Three
albums in three years, each better than the last. Hell of a performer live.
Might Shannon Wright be like Nina Simone, still playing years after she
first debuted? Based on the albums, I think there's a chance. The music is
a sort of studied repetition. Lines of piano build over drums in smart,
spacious arrangements. Nothing is preciously modern or dependant on the
present. In fact, the common theme across Wright's three albums is the
waltz. She's almost preoccupied with it. Wright is definitely working
towards something. Speaking with Shannon Wright, I was unable to confirm my
suspicions about her songwriting, but I did find proof that she might have
some longevity. You can't be as level-headed, as talented and as deeply concerned
with your art as Wright is with her music and not make some sort of long, if not brilliant,
career out of it.
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Splendid: What do you do outside of music? Do you have a day job? Barely
scraping by?
Shannon Wright: Barely scraping by, but some months are tougher than
others. Now I just play music.
Splendid: Do you think it's necessary for fans to know personal facts about
musicians in order to appreciate them more?
Shannon Wright: No. It depends on the kind of art you make. I think if you
are trying to speak to everyone, and you're just sort of a vessel to create
this thing that everyone can touch on, they don't need to know things about
your personal life or have an image of you. At least for me, that's the
kind of thing I would like to do rather than have someone being inquisitive
about my personality or anything about me. I want to stay out of it.
AUDIO: Dirty Facade
Splendid: Do you think it is a particularly American thing, always wanting
to know everything behind people?
Shannon Wright: No, I don't think so. People in Europe are very interested
in artists and musicians. I think it just goes along with the idea that
something is personal to you, regardless of where you are from, you just
want to know more about the person who is creating something that you are
being touched by. It feels personal.
Splendid: You were in a band, Crowsdell, before you started making records
on your own. I haven't been able to find that much information about Crowsdell or
information about you for that matter. Are you comfortable talking a bit
about your history?
Shannon Wright: Crowsdell is the only other band I've ever been in. It was
my first band, so it is what it is. As I started playing more and writing
more songs, started finding myself as a musician... When we made the second
album, things were a bit darker. The band wasn't happy with that and
neither was the label. I got a really big taste of what it is like in the
music industry and the ugly side of things. I just didn't want to be a part
of it if that is what it was going to be about. The label we were on (Big Cat) was an independent label, but all along it was trying to merge with a major label. The guy who ran the label wasn't as he
portrayed himself to be. He used a lot of bands to step up the label. The
label started in Europe, and they had bands like Pavement, Palace Brothers
and the Dirty Three. He screwed those bands over as well. Maybe not Palace,
but the Dirty Three definitely. It was an ugly way to see things work. Once
the band broke up and we got off the label, I didn't even know what I was
going to do at that point. Then I ended up making three solo records!
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Splendid: After everything you went through with your first label, are you
happy with Quarterstick/Touch and Go?
Shannon Wright: Yes. I didn't think I would ever even... When I decided to
quit, I was so anti-everything. I was not impressed with bands. I was not
impressed with record labels or magazines or anybody getting signed or any
of that. It just did not sit with me. I'm still sort of that way, because I
think it's all sort of silly, this stuff. People get so involved in the
importance of it. You know, like if you've gotten a certain review or if
you've gotten a feature in a magazine. It is important, but I feel like if
people miss what I am doing and they never catch on, then what can I do
about it? I just enjoy what I'm doing. It's amazing to me that people have
found out about me, because it's not as if Quarterstick is a big distribution
thing or I'm really getting pushed. It just kind of happens upon people, and
I really like that because those are the true fans because they aren't
being told "You should listen to this." They find it themselves. When people
come up to me and are really genuine, that's the best reward I can possibly
get. When I met Corey Rusk, who runs Touch and Go,
for the first time, we hit it off so well... I was in a very bad state about
the music business, and I had a lot of complaints. He listened to me about
every single one and agreed with me on everything. As we got to know each
other more, I just felt that if there was any label in the world to put
records out on, for me, it's got to be this label. So he asked me if I'd
like to do it, and I asked him if he'd like to do it. It seemed like the
right match. I've been so happy ever since. The people up there are just
real; real people that care about what they do. They don't make a ton of
money at it, but they do it because they believe in it. They think it is
important, and that is what I do. That's what most of the bands on the
label are like. It is like a working class label, and I respect that. There
are no frills about it. Everybody there works at one goal.
Splendid: How did you come upon your delivery, your singing style? Is that
how you started singing or is it the result of some kind of process or decision?
Shannon Wright: It's hard to say. I'm kind of unsure. I think as I became more comfortable
with my voice... I was sort of an anti-social singer when I first started
singing. I really wanted to be a great guitar player. I use to get really
annoyed when people would say, "I just love your voice." That's the worst. I
don't want you to like my voice. I want you to like my guitar playing.
(Laughs) I don't know if that has to do with just being a female and people
always talking about the female voice. I think maybe because I was
anti-singing or aggressive with my voice and not afraid to be aggressive
with my voice, I developed a certain style that was fitting with my
voice. I've always had a very loud voice when I wanted to, although I was
shy when I first started out. It is kind of a very constricting way to
learn how to sing. I think it just developed over time with getting
comfortable and really wanting to express something. When you really want
to do that, you end up forcing yourself over boundaries you wouldn't go
over normally.
Splendid: Do you practice? Do you think that musicianship is craft or does
it come naturally?
Shannon Wright: I need to practice more, definitely. Sometimes I tend to
write better when I don't practice at all. It just leaves my mind open.
Usually I write some of my favorite songs when I haven't picked up an
instrument. If I've just gotten off of tour or I've been home for a couple
of weeks and haven't picked up an instrument, that's usually when I write
some of my favorite songs. I don't know why. Sometimes I play my best when
I haven't practiced. But I think on tour it's important to practice a
little bit to feel comfortable. Regardless of how good you are, just having
the movements, being used to being on that instrument, is important.
Splendid: Does touring get in the way of recording?
Shannon Wright: I'm sort of a stress master. I deal with things better at a
sort of intense level. I write more consistently when I'm under pressure
because if I leave too much time to think about things, I tend not to do so
well. Because I question everything. Nothing is ever good enough if I have
too much time to think about it. If I have a timeline, then it just has to
be as good as I can make it, and then I've gotta put it away.
Splendid: Is that one of the reasons why you've put out three albums in as
many years?
Shannon Wright: Yeah. It's like, tour, then, "Okay, I'm gonna make a
record." The label says, "If you want to have it out by this time, we need
to have it in by this time." That makes me work. If I do it on my leisure,
where I take a year -- I can do that, but I pressure them to give me a
time. That works best for me, I think.
AUDIO: The Path of Least Persistence (Figure II)
Splendid: Do you enjoy recording or live performance more?
Shannon Wright: I enjoy them both in different ways. I really love
recording. I want to record bands myself eventually; get involved in
engineering. I just don't have the time right now. I really enjoy playing
live. I enjoy playing live more than anything else. For me that's the
ultimate gift. I think they're both so different. When you are sitting in
a room for twelve hours recording, you use your brain more. Playing live,
you're using other emotions.
Splendid: Will you ever release a live album or EP?
Shannon Wright: I'd like to. I think a lot of people who come to the shows
-- certain people enjoy the live show much more than the records. It's
hard to capture certain things on record when you're limited to a certain
amount of time. It's not the same setting. I do better when there are
people there because I'm playing for the audience. For me, that's like my
connection to myself -- having people there. Sometimes it's hard to
conjure that stuff up when I don't have people there, don't have people
there to do it for. If it's just me, then my confidence level goes way
down. It's harder to do. I would like to record something live and maybe
an EP would be the sensible thing.
Splendid: Do the props help? Does having the piano light rig help you get
into performing? (Wright always has a light box set up to mimic her playing
of the piano and often also has slide projectors displaying random images behind her.)
Shannon Wright: It's funny, I've had that Wurlitzer with the Visualizer --
that's what it's called, a Visualizer -- and I've always played with it like
that. It doesn't feel weird not to have it up there. I don't even think of
it as a prop, but more as that's the way it should be played because it's
a teacher's model and it was made for that. I've only played one time
without it, and it was like, "Where's my buddy?" I just enjoy it being
there. I enjoy that people enjoy it.
Splendid: I didn't mean it in a negative way, like you're ELO up there
with fourteen keyboards and other crap. It just seems like a definite part
of your show.
Shannon Wright: I think it's pretty mesmerizing to watch.
Splendid: Do you think you'll ever stop?
Shannon Wright: I can't imagine ever doing that. I tried to do that before,
when I quit my first band. I tried to quit playing music altogether and
just go back to college, figure out something else to do. I became a whole
other person. It was a very difficult time for me when I didn't play music.
I can't imagine that I won't always be recording. I don't know if I'll
always be playing live. It will become less and less, I imagine. I would
like to be the 60 year-old woman who is still playing music and is still
doing live shows -- maybe just not as much as I do now. I don't think of it
as a youth thing. I think of it more as hopefully I will become better as a
musician as I age. To me, it's a life-long thing. It is who you are, and
you have to accept it. You have to make the money to support yourself, but
you have to do it.
Splendid: You've toured a lot in the past couple of years. Is it something
you've gotten used to, the constant nomadic existence, or will you slow down
sooner than you just said?
Shannon Wright: At some point; I always say that, about not touring. Not
touring, though, I feel odd, like I'm not working enough. When you're on
tour, you have goals: you get up, find breakfast, get to the club, load in,
soundcheck. It's like a regimen, day after day after day. At home I miss
it, miss having my day planned out. But there is a certain point from
touring, where you lose a lot of time just to live. There's never enough
time to go out and visit people. There's never enough time to see things.
You go to great, amazing cities and you're in the club. That's it. After
a while, you feel like, "I'm just in the shitty club." Not to say that all
the clubs are shitty, but there are some shitty ones out there. If that's
all you do and they don't treat you nice, and it's a shitty place, it
really gets to you. I also feel very fortunate that
people come to the shows and they're interested in the music. For me, playing
live is my favorite part of it, and I think the only way I would stop doing
it is if it stopped being fresh. I feel really lucky, in the way it changes
a lot with every show. It can be a certain way or another way. I really
want it to be that way. I think it's important that the audience takes
away their special time, and that I have my special time during a show. I
can look back and say that show was special because of...whatever. I think
that's essential to what I do. If I was just going through the
motions, that would be devastating to me. I can't imagine it's gonna
happen, but I've seen it happen to other people. To me, there is no reason
to go out and play shows if you're just going through the motions, unless
you're doing it for the money. Then you're not really doing art anyway.
Splendid: What's the story behind the Perishable Goods EP? Why the
limited release? If I wasn't a writer for Splendid, I wouldn't have a
copy, as I couldn't find it in a store to save my life.
Shannon Wright: It was a limited edition and it sold out. Touch and Go has
the full CD, but not with the complete artwork. We did 1000 of them, and
they sold out much quicker than I ever would have imagined. It sold out
really quickly. It was more for the real fans that have been there from the
beginning and have stuck it out with me. I had written a couple of the
songs back when Flight Safety was written, and I wanted to do some
different versions of songs from the new record on there. I also wanted to
do the cover song ("I Started a Joke" by the BeeGees).
Also, Alan (Sparhawk) from Low, when we tour together, will play with me, so we got him
down there to play on it. So it was just sort of a tribute to the people
who come to the shows.
AUDIO: Azalea
Splendid: Is "Azalea" from the EP a love song?
Shannon Wright: No. It's a love song in the way that falling in love with
someone's spirit, but not a romantic love.
Splendid: Why the different versions of "Path of Least Persistence" and
"Hinterland" on the Perishable Goods EP and Dyed in the Wool?
Shannon Wright: I've done that before. Flight Safety has "Heavy
Crown" on it. Because of the way I do live shows, with things very
improvised, some things become significantly different from the record.
I had played both of those songs that way, and I just feel that most of the
songs I do have different sides to them. I think the live show represents
that. Sometimes things that are really fragile on a record can be really
aggressive on stage, and vice versa. For me, it is creatively satisfying to
show both sides of songs.
Splendid: On your records, Shannon Wright is always run together as one
word: shannonwright. Is that a sort of stage name?
Shannon Wright: It's funny; I've always had people write things about me
and say "What's the deal with her name?" and this or that, but it's not that
big a deal. Before I was even signed to Touch and Go, I had made some tapes
for some friends of mine of the songs I had written. I have this old '40s
typewriter that I write all my lyrics on, and by mistake I typed it out that
way and left it. I haven't thought much about it since. It's just easier to
me. The name "shannonwright" is just not that important to me, but everyone
else thinks its this big, important thing -- that I've consciously thought up
this "what can I do" thing. It is silly to me because a name is a name, but
ultimately the music is what's going to speak for me and not my name. If it's shannonwright or Sara Rider or whoever. It just happened that way and I
left it.
Splendid: You type all your lyrics on a typewriter?
Shannon Wright: Mmm-hmm.
Splendid: Is that what you just had available or is it a specific thing you
chose to work with?
Shannon Wright: I've had it forever. I love typewriters. I absolutely love
old typewriters. I have a few, and I think they are beautiful. It's
something very creative for me to sit down at a typewriter and type out the
lyrics. I like the process a lot.
Splendid: What comes first when you write a song -- the lyric or the music?
Does it vary?
Shannon Wright: It changes. Sometimes I can sit down and just write the
music and the words come out immediately. That's great when that happens.
Rarely do the lyrics come first. The music inspires the words for me. It's
usually the other way around for people, but I'm a very visual person and
for some reason the music itself creates a lot of words for me.
Splendid: Sort of like synaesthesia?
Shannon Wright: Sort of, yes.
Splendid: On the first two albums, the lyrics seem constructed more for the
sound of the words than for their meaning. On Dyed in the Wool, more
of the songs have a narrative quality to them. Is that intentional? Is it
something you decided to try?
Shannon Wright: I think to me they're all very similar. I use words that
don't have the correct meaning, grammatically correct meaning. Not to fit
in melody-wise or how I sing them, it just kind of... kind of the way I
just am. I don't know how to explain it. I don't try to have a conception
of how I'm going to do something. I just do it. It makes sense to me. I
write in a metaphorical way. I like to leave things
open. I like for the listener to apply themselves to the music. I don't
like to have a storyboard where this is the beginning and this is the end
and this is the story. That's just such an open
place that people could go and apply themselves to the music. That's what
music is for. Everybody has their song or their mood, and they can put on a
record and it's talking to them. That's what I want my music to do. I
don't want to have a specific tale and make somebody go on my journey of
that day in my life. I use words in that way sometimes, I think, to convey
something that can be a visual thing or whatever. It's more in a poetic
sense than a "lyrics" sense.
AUDIO: Foul
Splendid: As your albums progress, the production gets more polished. I
don't mean that they are made more "radio friendly", but the tone seems
tighter. Are you working towards a particular sound or is it because you
have more time and money with each album?
Shannon Wright: Definitely not more money. (Laughs). I
think it's just having a more knowledgeable approach, whereas when you
start making records you're learning. I think Flight Safety sounds
pretty good. The drums don't sound as good as the new records. I'm trying
to think... Maps of Tacit is a weird record. To me it's like the
"opium den" record, which I love. It is my favorite record, but I can see
where people could say it's weird or doesn't sound right. It's my
favorite one. It definitely has a feel about it that's very strange, but I
really love that, because it's such a true moment captured on tape. To me,
that's the best thing.
Splendid: Why play almost everything yourself on the records? Does that make
it easier for you to produce? Is it a control issue?
Shannon Wright: The music is obviously very emotive, and sometimes it's
hard to bring people in on the songs unless there is a big trust factor
there for me to let go. I have to let go of a lot of things to do certain
songs and things like that. The main thing is that I hear all the
instruments in my head when I write the song, so when I already have the
idea of how something is suppose to sound, it's just easier for me to do
it than to have someone come in and say, "Well, I hear it this way." It
kind of works out easier for me. Every layer to me is important to the
song. Some of the songs are very stark, so if you have a piano line and
this bass line is not really working with how the song is supposed to build
or what it is supposed to convey, it causes problems. I know how those
things should sound because I'm writing the songs. I guess in some ways it
probably is a control thing, because it's very important to me how the
songs are built.
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Splendid: You say that when you think of a song, you hear all the
instruments. So when you get an idea you hear drums, guitar and bass?
Shannon Wright: I hear how I want them to sound. It can be difficult, though,
because when you hear all that stuff, it can seem frustrating for the people
that come in to play with you because they have their own thing. I respect
that, but there is a certain limitation to that, because if I'm writing the
song or a piano line and hear how the drums are playing along in my head,
then I already have that part written. It can be a little trying to record
with me.
Splendid: Have you ever seen Krzysztof Kieslowski's movie Blue? The
main character in the movie is recovering from the death of her daughter
and husband, a famous composer. What is hinted at through out the story is
that she was writing his music for him before he died. She has these
musical epiphanies, though. She'll be sitting in her living room or swimming
and all of a sudden an orchestra swells up in her head. Does that sound similar to what happens to you?
Shannon Wright: That actually happens to me. Sometimes I write things
inside my head that I can't play. That's why I need to get better at
instruments, because there is a lot of stuff up there I'd really like to
play and I can't. I can't physically play them. As I get older, hopefully, I
can.
Splendid: Do you keep a workbook with some sort of notation or stuff like that?
Shannon Wright: I'm completely self-taught --
Splendid: I don't mean musical notation, exactly. More just a summary or
whatnot so that you can go back to it later.
Shannon Wright: It kind of just all stays up in my head.
Splendid: I'd be afraid I'd forget it all.
Shannon Wright: Sometimes I write a piece of music or a section of a song,
and then I go on tour. I'll write the rest of the song in my head as I'm
driving or whatever, and then go back to the piano or guitar, whichever one
it's on, and play it that way. It makes it fun to write -- to write over
time. I'm sure I've forgotten some things, though.
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Jason Broccardo has worked for his present employer for 18 months and his boss still doesn't know what he does.
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